Wei
Jingsheng Foundation News and Article Release Issue: A606-W370
魏京生基金会新闻与文章发布号： A606-W370
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Date: January 22, 2011
发布日：2011年1月22日
Topic:
Wei Jingsheng's Remarks on Hu Jintao's Human Rights (RFA Vietnamese Service)
标题：就胡锦涛访美对魏京生有关中国人权的采访（自由亚洲电台越南语）
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Wei
Jingsheng's Remarks on Hu Jintao's Human Rights
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by RFA Vietnamese Service
On
Jan. 21, 2011, Radio Free Asia Vietnamese Service reporter Ngoc Tran
interviewed Wei Jingsheng in regarding Hu Jintao's USA visit. The following is the interview.
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RFA
Vietnamese Reporter: At the press conference on Jan. 19, 2010, answering a
question relating to human rights in China, President Hu Jintao said, "We
will continue our efforts to promote democracy and the rule of law in our
country. At the same time, we are also willing to continue to have exchanges
and dialogue with other countries in terms of human rights". What do you think about President Hu
Jintao's remarks in terms of promoting democracy and the rule of law in
China? What does China need to do
more to improve these aspects?
Wei
Jingsheng: International pressure and social pressure forced Hu Jintao to say
that. Also I think that due to the
strong economic conflict between China and the USA, Hu had to make some
concessions on issues beyond trade issues. Thus, the comment illustrates that economic sanction is one
of the measures that the Chinese Communist Party is most scared of. Protecting the independence of the
judiciary and allowing a free press are the essential conditions to protect
human rights. The Chinese regime
has done the worst in these two areas.
The Chinese government has always monopolized the media to deceive its
people so as to assure that they could use monopolized arbitrary judicial
practice to suppress the people's resistance.
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RFA
Vietnamese Reporter: President Hu Jintao also said, "China recognizes and
also respects the universality of human rights". As President Obama
comments, universal rights include basic human rights like freedom of speech,
of the press, of assembly, of association and demonstration, and of religion,
rights that are recognized in the Chinese constitution.
Do
you think that the Chinese people have these basic rights such as freedom of
speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, of
demonstration, or of religion?
Does the Chinese government respect these universal rights which are
human rights as President Hu Jintao said?
Wei
Jingsheng: Everyone knows that Hu Jintao is lying. His remark is quite skillful. What he "recognizes and also respects" is only
"the universality", an academic concept, which can be tossed off as
unrelated to any specific people or issues. Regarding this academic concept, the Chinese Communist Party
is louder than anyone else.
However, it never carries it out to specific people and issues. Or put it this way: the Communist Party
talks about human rights only to request others to respect their own human
rights; but they never intend to respect someone else's human rights.
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RFA
Vietnamese Reporter: Also, President Hu Jintao said, "China is willing to
engage in dialogue and exchange with the United States on the basis of mutual
respect and the principle of non-interference in each other's internal
affairs". This sounds similar
to the response of many dictators of other countries. Governments say that they
respect the universal basic human rights, but in fact, they violate these human
rights and refuse to comply with their own rule of law or international
agreements that they have signed such as the "International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights".
When
other governments and/or human rights organizations mention that a dictator is
violating human rights in his country, the dictator usually claims that the
other countries are interfering in its internal affairs. What are your comments about this? How
can international organizations or governments help the Chinese government
comply with its own law without being accused of "interfering in its
internal affairs?"
Wei
Jingsheng: To these criminals who do not respect the law, it is impossible not
to "interfere" with their "internal affairs". Only when the international community
is not afraid of "interfering in internal affairs", can it protect
the rights of the people who are persecuted by the autocratic governments. Since the Chinese Communists recognize
the "universality of human rights", then it is not an
"internal" affair. This
is the meaning of "human rights without borders".
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RFA
Vietnamese Reporter: In an interview on Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry
Reid said, "I am going to go back to Washington and meet with the
President of China. He is a dictator." What do you think about this remark?
Wei
Jingsheng: Politicians are often tightly wrapped with their blandishments. This is a truth that was accidentally
spoken out. But, it is also why
the leaders of Congress from both parties did not attend the State Dinner in
the White House. As Congressional
members were elected by their constituency, they do not want the voters to see
them getting cozy with "a dictator". That is because such conduct is contrary to their
fundamental values and will make them embarrassed in front of voters. In addition, it also demonstrates that
these politicians were not bought out by the 45 billion dollars from Hu Jintao,
as a way to show their loyalty to their constituencies.
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Wei
Jingsheng Foundation News and Article Release Issue: A606-W370
魏京生基金会新闻与文章发布号： A606-W370
Release
Date: January 22, 2011
发布日：2011年1月22日
Topic:
Wei Jingsheng's Remarks on Hu Jintao's Human Rights (RFA Vietnamese Service)
标题：就胡锦涛访美对魏京生有关中国人权的采访（自由亚洲电台越南语）
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就胡锦涛访美对魏京生有关中国人权的采访（自由亚洲电台越南语）
自由亚洲电台越南语部Ngoc Tran于2011年1月21日采访并播出了其就胡锦涛访美对魏京生的采访。以下为采访内容。
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记者：在2010年1月19日记者招待会上回答有关中国人权的问题时，胡锦涛主席表示，“我们将继续努力促进我们国家的民主和法治。与此同时，我们也愿意继续与其它国家就人权进行交流与对话”。你怎么看待胡锦涛主席有关促进中国的民主和法治的讲话？中国在改进这些方面需要更多地做什么？
魏京生：国际社会的压力和中国社会的压力迫使胡锦涛不得不有所表示。而且估计在经济矛盾激烈的情况下，不得不在贸易问题之外作一些让步。这说明经济制裁是中共最害怕的问题之一。保障司法独立和取消新闻封锁，是保障人权的基本条件。中国在这两方面最差。中国政府一贯利用垄断的新闻媒体欺骗人民；以保障他们可以用垄断的司法系统镇压人民的反抗。
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记者：胡锦涛还表示，“中国承认并尊重人权的普遍性”。正如美国总统奥巴马所评论的，普遍的权利，包括言论、出版、集会、示威以及宗教等方面的自由是中国宪法所承认的。
你认为，中国人民是否有言论自由、新闻自由、集会自由、结社自由、示威自由，及宗教自由这些基本权利？请问中方政府是否象胡锦涛主席说的那样尊重这些人的普遍权利？
魏京生：所有人都知道胡锦涛在撒谎。他这句话回答得很技巧。他承认和尊重的只是“普遍性”，是一个学术概念，这可以和具体的人与事并没有关系。这个学术概念他们曾经说得比谁的声音都大，只是从来都不会落实到具体的人与事上。或者说，共产党尊重人权的方式是要别人尊重他们的人权，可他们从来不打算尊重别人的人权。
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记者：此外，胡锦涛主席说：“中国愿与美国在相互尊重的基础和不干涉对方内部事务的原则上进行对话与交流。”
这听起来像类似的其它国家的许多独裁者的反应。政府声称他们尊重人的普遍权利也就是基本人权。但事实上，他们违反这些人权并拒绝遵守他们自己的法律，以及他们所签署的国际协议，如有关“公民权利和政治权利的国际公约”。
当其它国家政府或人权组织提到某个政府违反了自己的人权，那个政府通常就声称，其它国家干涉其内政。对此您有什么意见？国际组织或政府怎样才能帮助中共政府遵守其法律而不受“干涉其内政”的指控？
魏京生：对于不尊重法律的匪徒，不干涉其内政是不可能的。国际社会只有不怕“干涉内政”，才能够保护受到独裁政府迫害的人民的权利。既然中共承认“人权的普遍性”，那就不是内政了。这就是人权无国界的含义。
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记者：在周三的采访时，参议院多数党领袖瑞德说，“我要回到华盛顿，并与中国主席会面。他是一个独裁者。“你怎么看这句话？
魏京生：政治家通常被花言巧语包裹得很严，这是一不小心说出来的真话。这也是国会两党领袖不出席奥巴马总统国宴的原因。作为民选的议员，他们不想让选民看见他们和一个独裁者亲亲热热。因为这违背他们的基本价值观念，会让他们在选民面前很尴尬。另外，这也表示他们没有被胡锦涛的数百亿美元所收买，表示他们对选民意志的忠诚。
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