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魏京生基金会新闻与文章发布号： A708-W445
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Date: May 12, 2012
发布日：2012年5月12日
Topic:
Wei Jingsheng Interviewed on WUSA, Talking about the Meaning of "Without
Democracy, There is No Modernization in China"
标题：魏京生接受WUSA电视台的采访，谈 "没有民主，就没有中国的现代化" 的含义
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Wei
Jingsheng Interviewed on WUSA, Talking about the Meaning of "Without
Democracy, There is No Modernization in China"
On
May 7, WUSA broadcasted Wei Jingsheng's interview with WUSA's Bruce Johnson
about the current modernization of China.
WUSA is a television station broadcasting on channel 9 in the
Washington, D.C. area. It is owned
by the Gannett Company, an international news and information company that
publishes 99 daily newspapers in the USA, including USA Today, the nation's
largest-selling daily newspaper.
WUSA is an affiliate of the CBS television network, and the
longest-tenured affiliate of that network.
In
Mr. Wei's interview, he talked about the ongoing cases of Chen Guangcheng and
Bo Xilai as well as the future of China.
In particular, Wei Jingsheng talked about the meaning of "without
democracy, there is no modernization in China"
Mr.
Wei pointed out, now Chen Guangcheng is in the hands of the Chinese government,
thus he become a card that Chinese government could play with. Yet, the Obama administration still
could demand to find out how Chen Guangcheng was persecuted and who was
responsible. These officials must
be punished.
Regarding
Bo Xilai's sudden fall from the Communist Party's rank, Mr. Wei said that it is
just the internal struggle within the Communist Party, and it is not a change
of political system. Wei also said
that, in the past, average people were against Bo Xilai because he used illegal
ways in some cases. But now things
are turning around -- Bo himself is treated illegally by the others. So average people really want to know
the outcome.
Wei
Jingsheng also pointed out that high-rise buildings and a lot of goods in China
do not represent modernizations.
Modernization should be something that everyone enjoys. For example, in
the USA, average people not only enjoy material life, but also liberty and
democracy, which is the true meaning of modernization. However, although a few percent of
Chinese enjoy a good material life now, it is not modernization when there is
no democracy and freedom. Even a
Communist elite like Bo Xilai, could fall out of that a few percent when he was
detained through illegal means.
Finally,
Wei Jingsheng said that the current Chinese people, especially the poor and the
middle class, are getting more and more dissatisfied with the reality in China,
for the lacking of democracy and rule of law. So this country has two possibilities. One is to reform, such as Taiwan and
the former Soviet Union did. Both
models are possible. The other is
that if the Communist leadership refuses to take the initiation to reform, then
the average Chinese will ran out patience. They will revolt, like Egypt and Libya did.
To
view the whole segment of Mr. Wei Jingsheng's interview on WUSA9, please visit:
http://www.wusa9.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1626450952001
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中文版
Wei
Jingsheng Foundation News and Article Release Issue: A708-W445
魏京生基金会新闻与文章发布号： A708-W445
Release
Date: May 12, 2012
发布日：2012年5月12日
Topic:
Wei Jingsheng Interviewed on WUSA, Talking about the Meaning of "Without
Democracy, There is No Modernization in China"
标题：魏京生接受WUSA电视台的采访，谈 "没有民主，就没有中国的现代化" 的含义
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魏京生接受WUSA电视台的采访，谈 "没有民主，就没有中国的现代化" 的含义
5月7日，WUSA电视台播出该台记者布鲁斯·约翰逊就目前中国的现代化对魏京生的采访。
WUSA是在华盛顿地区9频道播出的广播电视台。拥有它的甘尼特公司，是一个在美国发布99种日报的国际新闻和信息公司，其中包括全国销量最大的日报“今日美国”。WUSA属CBS电视网时间最长的子公司。
魏京生先生在采访中，谈到了陈光诚、薄熙来以及中国的未来。魏先生还特别谈到了"没有民主，就没有中国的现代化" 的含义。
魏京生指出，陈光诚在中共的手里，就成了中共手里的一张牌。但奥巴马政府还是可以要求调查陈光诚是如何被迫害，谁的责任，有责任的官员必须受到惩罚。
有关薄熙来的突然下台，魏先生说，这是党内斗争，并不改变政治体制。过去老百姓反对薄熙来，因为他用非法的方式处理一些案件。但现在反过来了，薄熙来本人被他人非法处理。因此，老百姓很关注结果。
魏京生还指出，现代化并不等于高楼大厦和众多的商品。现代化应该是人人享有的。如在美国，一般老百姓不仅享受物质生活，也享有自由和民主，这才是真正意义的现代化。然而，尽管百分之几的中国人享有良好的物质生活，但这并不是现代化-甚至他们也有没有民主和自由。像薄熙来这种共产党的精英，当他被非法手段拘留时，他也就从那百分之几中被排除了。
魏京生最后说，当前的中国人民，尤其是穷人和中产阶级，对中国缺乏民主和法制的现实越来越不满。因此，这个国家有两种可能的未来。一种是共产党主动改革，如台湾和前苏联。这两种模式都有可能。另一种是共产党拒绝改革。那么，老百姓已经不耐烦了，他们可能要造反，如埃及和利比亚。
有关WUSA9对魏京生先生的采访，请访问：
http://www.wusa9.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1626450952001
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