Wei Jingsheng Foundation News and Article: A1399-W1002
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Release Date: June 22, 2021
发布日：2021年6月22日
Topic: NTD Exclusive Interview with Huang Ciping -- [Voice of
Influence] Interview With a Former Nuclear Physics Expert, Who Witnessed the
Terrible Nuclear Leaks and CCP’s Ignorance of Human Lives
标题：新唐人專訪黃慈萍：【新聞大家談】專訪前核子物理專家，親見恐怖洩漏，罔顧人命
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NTD Exclusive Interview with Huang Ciping:
-- [Voice of Influence] Interview With a Former Nuclear Physics Expert,
Who Witnessed the Terrible Nuclear Leaks and CCP’s Ignorance of Human Lives
(Note by the editor: on June 18, 2021, the New Tang Dynasty broadcast
its exclusive interview with Huang Ciping, which reached more than 150,000
views just on the NTD YouTube channel within 2 days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdggn18LWmI)
Duration 43:45
[New Tang Dynasty News, June 18, 2021] Hello, everyone, and welcome to
the "Voice of Influence" on Friday (June 18). This is Lin Lan
(hostess).
Today’s focus: An interview with a former nuclear physics expert: The
terrible leaks at the China Institute of Atomic Energy, that the guards did not
know about, her colleagues stole American neutron bomb technology, and the militarization
of civilian nuclear power plants. She
witnessed the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) illegally transferring nuclear
technology to Pakistan.
Recently, at the Taishan Nuclear Power Plant in Guangdong, China, there
was a suspected "fuel rod shell damage" that caused an increase in
the concentration of "inert gas" in the "cooling system" of
the reactor. The CCP did not notify the
outside world until the French partner of the Taishan Nuclear Power Plant wrote
a letter to the US Department of Energy for help. Thus the news was propagated to the media and
was made to public.
The incident has once again aroused the attention of the outside world
to nuclear safety in China. Today we
have Ms. HUANG Ciping, who worked at the "China Institute of Atomic Energy",
to talk about what she knows about China's nuclear safety issues.
The following are the host’s questions and Huang Ciping’s main points.
Hello, Ms. HUANG Ciping, and welcome to our program.
Can you briefly
introduce yourself to the audience and friends?
0:57 Huang Ciping: I entered the Department of Modern Physics of the
University of Science and Technology of China at a young age, mainly studying
and researching nuclear physics. After
graduation, I worked at the China Institute of Atomic Energy, trying to become
the Madame Curie of China. Later, as I
promoted democracy and freedom in China, the life, safety and health of the
people became a point of my concern.
Especially after the Wenchuan earthquake in 2008, there were nuclear
leaks, about which there were only a few reports in recent years.
China's Nuclear Power
Plants Under Construction Are the Largest in the World
1. China has been building nuclear power plants for several consecutive
years. The scale of the nuclear power
plants under construction is the largest in the world every year. If this trend continues, it is expected that
by 2030, China's nuclear power capacity will surpass the United States to
become the largest nuclear power country in the world. Yet at present, almost all the nuclear power
plants in China are built in densely populated coastal areas, including five in
Zhejiang and four in Guangdong.
Therefore, their nuclear safety is a matter of great concern to the
outside world.
According to your understanding, how high is the safety factor of
nuclear power in China? From the first
commercial nuclear power plant to the present, there has been no news of medium
and high-level safety incidents. What is
the actual situation? Where is the
hidden danger? Can you provide first-hand
information?
3:25 Huang Ciping: As a former nuclear physicist, I consider nuclear
power a positive product for mankind. But because of China’s potential for
nuclear accidents and even nuclear meltdown, I am very concerned about China’s
construction of nuclear power plants, especially that most are built in the
densely populated areas in China now.
The old Chinese saying goes: one is not afraid of ten thousand, but one
in ten-thousand. For example, when the
Daya Bay Nuclear Power Plant, China’s first nuclear power plant was
constructed, they cut corners and did not place more than 100 steel reinforcing
bars in the construction. This is likely
to cause catastrophic consequences. In
early 2018, there were already reports that the carbon content of the steel
used in the roofs for the EPR reactors in the Taishan Nuclear Power Plant that
need to withstand a lot of pressure exceeded the standard by more than
30%. In other words, the steel will
become very brittle under extreme temperature and pressure, which constitutes a
serious hidden danger to safety. Similar
type of nuclear power plants have been delayed in France, Finland, and the
United Kingdom for similar reasons. Especially,
if something goes wrong at the Taishan Nuclear Power Plant that is the focus of
attention this time, 50,000,000 people including Hong Kong and Macau will be
affected, and the consequences will be terrible. But the CCP always lacks respect for human
lives and rights.
There Were Nuclear
Accidents in the Sichuan Earthquake in 2008
2. In addition to the security of civilian nuclear facilities, the
security of military nuclear facilities is a more sensitive and confidential
issue. Wang Yiren, deputy director of
the National Defense Science and Industry Bureau of the Communist regime in
China, said on CCTV in February 2017 that the 2008 Wenchuan earthquake had a
situation similar to the Fukushima nuclear accident in Japan. "At that time, the power was cut off,
the cooling pool cracked, with the possibility of the reactor core being
exposed."
That almost led to a nuclear leakage accident. But the Chinese government officials had
never announced it for as long as 9 years (before 2017). There are no nuclear power plants in Sichuan
Province, so it is speculated that it is a secret military nuclear facility.
According to the
information you have, what is the safety of China's military nuclear
facilities?
10:31 Huang Ciping: The CCP placed some nuclear institutions and
nuclear warheads in areas around Wenchuan where the geological structure is
unstable. As a result, there were
accidents and leaks during the Wenchuan earthquake in May 2008. At that time, several days later,
well-dressed biochemical/nuclear troops were seen entering, but the leaks and
even the deaths were only revealed in the past few years.
Related Reading:
Readers' Responses and Military Industrial Sites around the Sichuan
Earthquake Area that People Should Take Precaution About - Ciping HUANG
http://www.weijingsheng.org/report/report2008/report2008-05/earthquake080523HuangCPnuclearA367-O107.htm
15:10: Huang Ciping: The CCP has military bases and research institutes
in Gansu, Xinjiang, Qinghai, Southwest China and other places. The CCP despises human rights and life. It engaged in nuclear and biochemical experiments
on healthy young soldiers, for it to obtain precious scientific data. It also caused these young people’s life
tragedy and even death -- some of them were buried in Lop Nur and other old
nuclear experiment sites. In the similar
way, the CCP built nuclear power plants so close to so many people. Once a nuclear meltdown occurs, the
consequences will be disastrous.
18:00: Huang Ciping: There are some events I personally experienced and
understood when I was at the China Institute of Atomic Energy, including the
fact that the armed police guards did not have the most basic scientific
knowledge, and so on.
The CCP Concealed the
Nuclear Accident?
3. The safety of nuclear facilities is one aspect, and the other aspect
is information transparency. Do you know
of such first-hand information/cases that the CCP concealed information about
the nuclear accident?
21:55: Huang Ciping: Residents near nuclear power plants in the United
States will be informed, educated, and even provided first aid measures. But
the CCP never is transparent and did not do so…
4. Nuclear safety also includes preventing the proliferation of nuclear
weapons. The CCP joined the Treaty on
the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons in 1992. According to your understanding, how is the
actual implementation of the treaty?
23:05: Huang Ciping: While working at 401 China Institute of Atomic
Energy, I saw the CCP exporting nuclear technology to Pakistan. I became so worried about nuclear
proliferation, and this helped me to turn to support democracy and freedom in
China. The CCP’s proliferation of
nuclear technology to Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, and even Myanmar is actually
very irresponsible, and it also brings insecurity to world peace.
Where Does China's
Nuclear Technology Come From?
5. Where does China's nuclear technology come from? The CCP claims to rely on independent
research and development and self-reliance.
But we know that 10 of the 23 core scientists who were the first batch
to help China’s "two bombs and one satellite" projects returned to
China from the United States (several of them were later persecuted to death
during the Cultural Revolution).
Even in recent years, such as in 2019, a 66-year-old Chinese American
Szuhisiung Ho, a consultant of the China General Nuclear Power Group, a company
directly managed by the CCP Central Committee, was charged in the United States
for conspiring with China General Nuclear Power to steal U.S. nuclear
Technology. He has also pleaded guilty. In the development of the CCP’s nuclear
technology, is the theft of intellectual property an isolated case?
29:34 Huang Ciping: The theft of nuclear technology by the CCP is part
of its systematic and strategic planning and development, and it also includes
other advanced science and technology, including biological and chemical
research. From receiving official
support from the Soviet Union in the early days of the Chinese Communist regime
of 1950’s, to stealing scientific and technological intelligence from Western
countries in the later days, I personally know the experts from the CCP’s
weapons department in the 401 Institute who stole neutron bomb technology from
the United States. Some details were
also disclosed in the Cox Report 22 years ago.
6. The “China General Nuclear Power” that steals from the United States
was nominally a civilian nuclear power company, but in 2019, the Trump
administration added CGN to the export control blacklist because it was
determined that the company gained technology from foreign supply businesses in
the name of civil nuclear cooperation and then transferred it for the CCP
military use. According to your
understanding, is the so-called "military-civilian integration"
practice in the nuclear field a CCP custom?
33:33 Huang Ciping: The CCP has always taken the people hostage,
including using the civilian application banner for military use, such as
making plutonium produced by nuclear power plants into small nuclear warheads
and nuclear weapons. Therefore, as early
as the construction of Daya Bay Nuclear Power Plant, China and France
negotiated for several years over the specific terms of how to deal with
"nuclear waste" that could be turned into weapon grade material for
nuclear heads. "Nuclear waste"
is also a major issue in negotiations with Iran. There must be some specific scientific and
technological content that the CCP wants from this Taishan incident this time,
but it is taking 50 million people as hostages.
What Are the Security
Challenges for the United States?
38:29 Huang Ciping: Now the international society has finally woken
up. Although it is late, it can still
make up for it. The uneasy situation is
related to the West’s decades long appeasement policy to CCP. Even the current Taishan Nuclear Power Plant
and the CCP virus are the results of the CCP cooperating with the West. Although the Soviet Union has ended, the
Communist states especially China actually posed an even greater threat.
Will China Being the
World's Most Advanced Nuclear Power Country be a Blessing or a Curse to the Chinese
people?
7. As a country with nuclear weapons and the world's most aggressive
nuclear power projects, is the CCP a blessing or a curse for the Chinese
people?
40:40 Huang Ciping: This is not a good thing under the CCP
dictatorship. For example, at the
Taishan Nuclear Power Station, the most important thing to do now is to stop
the nuclear reactor to avoid a major accident, even meltdown. But for its goals, the CCP will not do that. It simply raises the acceptable limits, which
have more than doubled. In order to
punish Australia, the CCP does not import coal from there, so currently China
is in short supply of electricity. The
proliferation of the CCP’s nuclear weapons to Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, and
even Myanmar will have terrible consequences.
Looking at the current CCP virus spreading all over the world, it is a
confirmed reality.
Okay, thank you very much for the information and analysis brought by
Ms. Huang Ciping, and thank you again for participating in our program. Today's program ends here. Thank you for watching. If you liked our program, please help to
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Wei Jingsheng Foundation News and Article: A1399-W1002
魏京生基金会新闻与文章发布号：A1399-W1002
Release Date: June 22, 2021
发布日：2021年6月22日
Topic: NTD Exclusive Interview with Huang Ciping -- [Voice of
Influence] Interview With a Former Nuclear Physics Expert, Who Witnessed the
Terrible Nuclear Leaks and CCP’s Ignorance of Human Lives
标题：新唐人專訪黃慈萍：【新聞大家談】專訪前核子物理專家，親見恐怖洩漏，罔顧人命
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新唐人專訪黃慈萍：
【新聞大家談】專訪前核子物理專家，親見恐怖洩漏，罔顧人命
（編者注：2021年6月18日，新唐人獨家播出黃慈萍44分鐘長專訪，觀衆衆多。僅在新唐人YouTube頻道兩天內的觀看量就突破了15萬：
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdggn18LWmI)
Duration 43:45
北京時間：2021-06-18
【新唐人北京時間2021年06月18日訊】大家好，歡迎收看週五（6月18日）的《新聞大家談》。我是林瀾（主持人）。
今日焦點：專訪前核子物理專家：中國原子能研究院的恐怖泄漏，看守竟毫不知情；同事竊走美國中子彈技術，民用核電站的軍用化；親眼目睹中共違規向巴基斯坦輸送核技術。
最近，中國廣東臺山核電站，發生一起疑似「燃料棒外殼損害」，導致反應堆「冷卻系統」內，「惰性氣體」濃度增加的事件。中共沒有對外通報任何消息，直到臺山核電站的法國合作方，致信美國能源部，尋求幫助，消息被捅給媒體，才公之於眾。
事件也再次引起外界對中國核安全的關注。今天我們有請曾在「中國原子能研究院」工作的黃慈萍女士，來談一談，她所瞭解的中國核安全問題。
以下爲節目主持人的問題及黃慈萍所談要點：
黃慈萍女士您好，歡迎您參加我們的節目。
開場：可否首先向觀眾朋友簡單做個自我介紹？
0：57 黃慈萍：年少時進入中國科學技術大學近代物理系學習，主要是核子物理方面的學習與研究，之後到中國原子能研究院工作，努力希望成爲中國的居里夫人。在之後推進中國民主自由時，老百姓的生命安全及健康成了我關注的要點。尤其是2008年汶川地震後，發生的核泄漏事件，到最近才有所報道。
中國在建核電機組規模 全球第一
1、中國已經連續好幾年，每年在建核電機組的規模都是全球第一，如果延續這個趨勢，預計到2030年，中國的核電規模就會超過美國，成為全球最大的核電國家。而現在中國幾乎所有核電站，都建在人口稠密的沿海地區，其中浙江有5個，廣東有4個。所以安全性就是外界很關注的問題。
根據您的瞭解，中國核電的安全係數有多高？從第一座商用核電站到現在，沒有中高級安全事故的消息，實際情況如何？隱患在哪？可否提供一手資訊？
3：25 黃慈萍：正因爲中國潛在的核事故甚至核熔毀問題，作爲前核子物理學家，並且認爲核電對人類是正面的，卻發對中國建造核電站，尤其是現在這樣在中國人口稠密的地區建造這許多。用中國的古話說，是不怕一萬，就怕萬一。如中國建成的第一個核電站，大亞灣核電站在建造時卻偷工減料，少了一百多根鋼筋，這很可能造成災難性的後果。而2018年初就有過報道，臺山核電站壓水堆的要承受很大壓力乃至高溫的頂蓋所用鋼的含碳量超標30%多。也就是說鋼會變得很脆，給安全埋下嚴重隱患。類似的核電站在法國、芬蘭、英國都被延遲了。尤其是這次被關注的臺山核電站，如一旦出事，就會有包括香港、澳門在內的50，000，000人口會受到影響，後果十分可怕。但中共一向缺乏對人的生命與權利的尊重。
2008年川震曾出現核事故
2、除了民用核設施的安全性以外，軍用核設施的安全性是更敏感、更機密的問題。中共國防科工局副局長王毅韌，2017年2月在央視說，2008年的汶川大地震，曾出現類似日本福島核事故的情況，「當時電斷了，冷卻水池破裂，堆芯有裸露可能。」險些釀成核泄漏事故。但官方在之前長達9年時間裡從未對外公佈。而四川省內沒有任何核電站，所以外界猜測是軍方祕密的核設施。
根據您掌握的資訊，中國軍用核設施的安全性怎麼樣？
10：31 黃慈萍：中共將一些核機構及核彈頭等放在地質結構不穩定的汶川一帶的地區，以致2008年5月汶川大地震時就有事故與泄露。當時幾天後就看到穿著齊備的生化部隊進入，但有關泄露乃至人員死亡只是在這幾年才有所透露。
相關閱讀：
Readers' Responses and Military Industrial Sites around the Sichuan Earthquake Area that People Should Take Precaution of -- Ciping HUANG
讀者回應及四川地震地區可能受影響的核基地及軍事設施 -- 黃慈萍
http://www.weijingsheng.org/report/report2008/report2008-05/earthquake080523HuangCPnuclearA367-O107.htm
15：10：黃慈萍：中共在甘肅、新疆、青海、西南等地都有軍事性質的基地及研究所。中共藐視人權與生命，通過對健康的年輕軍人進行核與生化實驗，可以得到珍貴的科學資料，也造成這些年輕人悲慘的一生乃至死亡，以致羅布泊等舊核實驗地還留下了當年那些年輕人的墓地。同理，中共將核電站建得離那麽多人口那麽近的地方，一旦發生核熔毀，後果不堪設想。
18：00：
黃慈萍：有關自己在原子能研究院時親身經歷與瞭解的幾件事，包括看守的武警沒有最基本的科學常識，等等。
中共瞞報核事故？
3、核設施本身的安全性是一方面，另一方面的問題是資訊透明度。您是否知道這樣的一手資訊／案例，中共瞞報核事故相關消息？
21：55：
黃慈萍：在美國核電站附近的居民都會受到相應的告知、教育，乃至急救措施。但中共从不是透明的，也沒這樣做。。。
4、核安全，也包括防止核武器擴散。中共1992年加入了《不擴散核武器條約》，根據您的瞭解，實際履約情況怎麼樣呢？
23：05：黃慈萍：在401原子能研究所工作時的經歷，親眼看到中共向巴基斯坦輸出核技術。因此擔心核擴散，而轉向支援民主自由。中共向巴基斯坦、伊朗、北朝鮮、甚至緬甸等散佈核技術，其實都是很不負責任的，也給世界和平帶來不安全的前景。
中國核技術從哪裡來？
5、那中國的核技術又從哪裡來？中共宣稱是靠自主研發，自力更生。但我們知道，中國第一批造「兩彈一星」的23名核心技術人員，有10個人都是從美國回中國的（後來好幾位在文革裡被迫害死）。
即使到最近這些年，比如2019年，中共中央直接管理的企業「中國廣核集團」的一名顧問、66歲的美籍華人郝思雄在美國被控，他和「中廣核」串謀竊取美國的核技術，也已經認罪。——在中共的核技術發展中，盜竊知識產權問題是個案嗎？
29：34 黃慈萍：中共偷竊核技術是其系統性、戰略性策劃與發展的一部分，而且還包括其他先進的科學技術包括生化研究等。從中共早期的1950年代得到蘇聯的官方支援，到後期到西方國家偷取科技情報，我親身得知401所裏中共的武器部專家從美國偷竊中子彈技術等。有關細節在22年前Cox報告中也有所披露。
6、從美國竊密的「中廣核」名義上是民用核電企業，但是2019年，川普（特朗普）政府把中廣核加入出口管制黑名單，因為認定該公司以民用核合作的名義，從外國供應商那裡獲得技術，再轉移給中共軍事用途。根據您的瞭解，在核領域的所謂「軍民融合」的做法，是慣例嗎？
33：33 黃慈萍：中共將老百姓做人質，是一貫做法。包括打著民用旗號，進行軍事用途，如將核電站産生的鈈做成小型的核彈頭、核武器。因此早在大亞灣建造時，爲了“核廢料”的具體處理，中法就談判了好幾年，因爲所謂核電站的核廢料能成爲軍用的核彈頭。“核廢料”處理也是與伊朗談判的一項主要問題。這次臺山問題中一定有中共想得到的具體科技內容，但這是以5千萬的老百姓爲人質。
對美國構成哪些安全挑戰？
38：29 黃慈萍：現在國家社會終於醒過來了。雖然晚了些，但還可以亡羊補牢。不安的現況與幾十年來西方對中共的綏靖政策有關，連目前的臺山核電站及中共病毒也都是和西方合作學習後的結果。儘管蘇聯結束了，但共産國家尤其是中共其實造成更大的威脅。
全球最突進的核電大國 對中國人是福是禍？
7、中共作為核武器擁有國，以及全球最狂飆突進的核電大國，對中國人來說到底是福是禍？
40：40 黃慈萍：中共一黨專制下，這並非好事。比如臺山核電站，現在最該做的是停下核反應爐，避免重大事故尤其是核熔毀的發生。但中共爲了其目標，不會那麽做，只是簡單地提高放射性限值，已經兩倍都不止了。中共爲了懲罰澳大利亞，不從那裏進口煤炭，所以現在全國電力都很缺乏。而中共的核擴散至巴基斯坦、伊朗、北朝鮮、甚至緬甸，都會有很可怕的後果。看看目前中共病毒傳遍全世界，就是被證實了的現實。
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